I Am “Standing My Ground” Against Juan Marcos Gutierrez and His Messianics

“Stand Your Ground” is a phrase that is receiving great attention from media mongers and news consumers across America. But there are countless unreported killers far worse than George Zimmerman on the prowl; loose in Jewish communities all over the world. They are Messianics who would steal and lie to convert to Orthodox Judaism while still believing in Jesus!

It is a mitzvah to expose these liars and to protect the Jewish people by reporting them. All Jews and righteous Gentiles have a duty to “Stand Their Ground” and expose these would-be pretenders before it’s too late. If these people are successful, how will we know who is truly Jewish? How will we ensure that these spiritual terrorists will not kill the souls of our people (chas v’shalom) by poisoning their minds with foreign beliefs? Our security and that of our children’s who will one day marry be’ezras Hashem is at risk because of the three types of people you will read about below–the Messianics, the apostate Jew who helps them, and the unwitting Rabbi who doesn’t know any better.

So what does the Florida law say about self-defense exactly?

Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony

I have reason to believe (along with email evidence and witnesses) that the Jewish community in Dallas, Texas is facing harm because of these malicious intruders. What is worse is that there are others Jews helping them.

I will begin with one man–he is in the category of an apostate Jew who is helping Messianics: Rabbi Bejarano Gutierrez, a.k.a. Rabbi Yochanan Bejarano, a.k.a. Juan Marcos Gutierrez of Dallas gets paid thousands of dollars to knowingly enlist Messianics into a conversion program and then assists these false converts with infiltrating communities all over the U.S. and Israel. He has a shul, which he calls ‘traditional” (Chavurah Zohar Yisrael), in South Dallas County.

Here is a clip from an email where he recently was giving blatant instructions to a candidate on how to sneak into an unsuspecting Jewish community:

Email Evidence against Juan Marcos Gutierrez

This “Rabbi” (if he is really such) is a student at Spertus Center for Jewish Learning and Culture. He has published articles in the Journal of Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian Crypto-Jews (JPPICJ). He serves on a board of JPPICJ as treasurer and is actively working in places like Cedar Hill, Duncanville, Desoto, Waxahachie, Red Oak and probably anywhere else he can get an audience. Hopefully this post will be cast far and loud so that those who are in a position to stop this traitor and heretic can help.

Juan Marcos Gutierrez writes a nasty email to one witness who has now backed out of Gutierrez’s fake conversion program and has left Messianic Judaism altogether :

Black Mail

As you can see, he gets quite disgruntled when confronted with his fraud. But he remains defensive and scrambles to hide under a rock so that he can continue his deception for some perverse cause. But read on…he is willing to use his own candidates as witnesses to “out” other Messianics whom he feels are blackmailing him.

The former Messianic couple mentioned in the email below (whose identity is now protected) was apparently close to finishing Gutierrez’s program. However, as a result of this blog post, they have spoken out about their involvement with Gutierrez and provided proof that they are no longer in his “conversion” scam. They are an example of those who belong in the “Messianic” category–a dangerous group of Gentiles who believe they are a part of the Jewish people and have a right to join a community (and even move to Israel) based on their belief that Jesus is the Messiah (nothing could be further from the truth).

An additional fact that is particularly disturbing about this couple’s situation is that another local Orthodox Rabbi, in addition to Juan Marcos Gutierrez, knew about their idolatrous beliefs. The gentleman once said of this Rabbi, “We talked to (name deleted) [about converting] and he said that if we didn’t believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is divine, he would convert us.” In fact, this Rabbi flew up to Hudson, WI to attend the Messaianics’ wedding. He even gave a shiur in one of the homes of a member of the community. In other words, this Orthodox Rabbi would have helped a Messianic couple become “Jews” who retain a belief in Yeshu. From the evidence that I have, he probably fits into the “unwitting Rabbi” category who needs education and oversight to protect himself and others from the Messianics that come to him.

Rabbis need to know that when they show acceptance of Messianics it feeds their initiatives and emboldens them in their efforts to blend in as Jews and ultimately receive conversion while maintaining beliefs that are anathema to Torah and Orthodox Judaism.

With the help of Rabbi Michael Skobac of Jews for Judaism, Akiva Powers of Magen, Yehudah Ilan of Chizzuk Emunah in Israel, and agencies like Jewish Israel and Yad L’Achim, these false conversions can be stopped and those Rabbis who are knowingly or unwittingly supporting Messianics can be educated and held accountable for their affiliations and actions.

If you are a Jew or a righteous Gentile, you have a role too. Silence means acceptance. If you hear of Messianics with plans to infiltrate or if you read blogs/posts that are suspicious or know of Rabbis with lax conversion requirements, report them! Any of the sources I listed above, including myself, can help you.

22 comments
  1. Almoni said:

    After reading this article, the more I see Orthodox Messianic Judaism as a gateway drug into pure Orthodox Judaism.

    • How so? Can you say more?
      And, is this a good thing?

      It make me think of a post we should co-write together…

      • Almoni said:

        After reading this article a second time, I understand that I misread the sentence “former Messianic couple”, thinking that it meant that they were formally Messianic.

        In any case, all of these Messianics who want to convert to Judaism are more prone to leave Messianic faith than “poison the minds” of the Jewish people. Once you touch fire, you’re likely to get burned. Similarly, once one understands the Jewish faith, then they are likely to be affected positively by it.

      • The couple in the article was formerly Messianic however I am not convinced that they have completely made the shift yet. We will watch them and hope for the best.

        As for your other observations that Messianics will not harm the Jewish people, I cannot not agree with you at this time. I am watching far too many of them doing damage in a way that you are unaware of because Messianism in Israel is very different than it is here in the States. There are those who retain their poison while knowing a great deal about Talmud and Orthodox Judaism. First Fruits of Zion is one counter-example to your position. People like Boaz Michael and Aaron Eby are responsible for destroying Jewish souls daily–including those of their own children.

      • Almoni said:

        Let me know if I’m wrong:

        I would think that the Messianics in Israel are more damaging, because a large percentage of their ministry actually takes a hold of Jewish Israelis, and turning them into Christian Jews. Whereas, the larger majority of the Messianic movement in America is mainly made up of Gentiles who want to have Hebrew roots.

      • While you are right that Messiancs in Israel are certainly a limited threat (mostly to the poor and secular Jews), they are at least obviously Christian. They largely reject the Oral Torah and usually don’t look Orthodox.

        In America you have pretenders parading around calling themselves Orthodox Jews, leading to increased intermarriages and violations of halachah for Cohanim. I know of one community who preys on the young Israelis who work the kiosks of the malls, drawing them in to a “shul” where it takes them 2-3 months to figure out that they’re really in a Christian church. By then, some of them stay and it is too late. They are fully engaged in avodah zarah because they’ve found a shiksa or are now dependent on the “generosity” of the Christian handout.

        This scenario is happening more often in pockets across the U.S. As the Messianic “Beis Din” such as the UMJA and others gets established, more Goyim will feel that they are Jewish and will tell others their lies. Could this spread into Israel, it is possible chas v’shalom. We must expose and stop them.

  2. L. Murdock said:

    Almoni, I would agree in a way. The more one studies orthodox sources and really tries to wrap ones mind around the principles involved in their Torah, the more likely one is going to make the jump (so to speak). Being one of those who jumped ship into Torah Judaism from MJ, I can attest to the power of true Torah and its guardians, the Sages of blessed memory.

    However, l would suggest that the Orthodox MJ are the most sinister “pigs” around. They stick their cloven hooves out to look like a frum person, but behind it all is an abomination that we are not to even touch. That is they look like Jews and talk like frumkites and even study the sources to try and show that they can “back up” their belief in yeshu. Some very sinister ones, like Juan Marcos, even infiltrate the ranks of Jewish organizations because they learn to not talk about it and keep it under cover, but underneath it all, we see deception, lies, and further reason to not allow them access to true Torah Judaism unless they are truly seeking truth and willing to do tshuvah.

  3. maz deshalosh said:

    Hi, Im new to this blog,

    Im a Christian who works with Jews doing charity work in Israel, but doesnt evangelise. I have Messianic Jewish friends and I would love to see all people accept Jesus, but don’t think aggressive conversion is effective.

    Yad Lachim’s efforts tend to show a black and white idea that all Christians are missionaries.

    Thing is though, you said you are a Christian convert to Judaism, so all this hysteria that about Christians converting Jews seems a tiny bit hypocritical,

    Isn’t it fair for all types of people to chose their own relgious beliefs if what they grew up with isn’t satisfying?

    • Maz,

      Thank you for reading and posting. You claim that you aren’t a missionary but you say that you “would love to see all people accept Jesus…” You are using a very narrow definition of the word missionary in order to escape the label. That’s like the trend in the Plus Size women’s clothing stores in the U.S. where they make the really big clothes but tag them two or three sizes down so women won’t feel “fat.” The truth is you want Jews to believe in Jesus, you probably pray for such. I would bet you “work with Jews doing charity” in the hopes that they would come to believe in Jesus and you probably tithe to organizations who also have similar philosophies. That makes you a missionary. Or said more colorfully, if they shirt fits, you’re fat.

      Now some questions for clarity:
      What do you know about Yad L’Achim? I’m curious.
      What hysteria are you referring to?
      In what way do you see me as being hypocritical, specifically?

      I will answer this: “Isn’t it fair for all types of people to chose their own relgious beliefs if what they grew up with isn’t satisfying?” after I hear your clarifying answers.

      • maz deshalosh said:

        [What do you know about Yad L’Achim? I’m curious.]

        I know they harrass Christians and Jewish believers in Israel and elsewhere. Folks in Christian organisations, wether they actively proselytize or not, there are strange phone calls and odd behaviour asking about certain things. One of my friends, a sabra Israeli believer, has been an believer in Yeshua for 6 years, but had people turn up on her door from YL telling her they put her name on her database so she could be monitored.

        Yad Lachim got 200 Haredim to protest at a small Messianic congregation in Ashdod a year or two ago, which is why a lot of congregations tend to be discreet about their meetings.

        Benyamin Glugger the boss of Yad Lachim has been arrested for harrasment and criminal damage charges recently towards churches in Jerusalem. Hes not an ethnic Jew, hes used to be a Catholic!!

        [What hysteria are you referring to?]

        According to web sites like “Jewish Israel” all Christians need to be monitored carefully.

        All Christians and Jewish believers I know of would like see all types of people find Yeshua, as there is a sense of obligation we don’t want to see our family and friends miss his loving kindness.

        Prosletysing which I know gives offence is giving our tracts and leaflets, I dont see this is so effective. Besides I think Jews for Jesus only operate in Tel Aviv. I have never seen anyone giving away tracts in Jerusalem.

        Most Christians prefer to feed the poor, helping with aliyah, countering antisemitism, pray, telling non scripture-savvy Christians why Israel is important and spreading deeper meaning of the scriptures.

        A side effect of this, is more Jews below poverty line get fed, turn to Torah, pray more often, and may make a private commitment. As opposed to what’s seen a religious used car salesman image of a missionary doing aggressive conversion.

        Its also well known a lot of Israels find Yeshua via research on the internet.

        [In what way do you see me as being hypocritical, specifically?]

        If youve changed your religious beliefs that you should respect those who have done the same. It should surely be fair game for people to get given the chance to discover Yeshua, if you have done the opposite dont you think?

        Folks like Beyamin Glugger and Penina Taylor come from Christian backgrounds but actively involved with anti-missionary movements, just seems so ironic thats all.

        Anyway brother, I hope you have a good Chag.

      • Maz,

        Your answer about your knowledge of Yad L’Achim is very one-sided and suspect. I doubt you actually know much about them. For one, they assist with people making aliyah–a huge mitzvah for a Jew to do. Did you know that? Secondly, one of their major works is to educate against assimilation. Are you opposed to Jews staying Jewish? Thirdly, they also help people learn Torah. Does that bother you?

        You accuse them of harassing Christians and “Jewish believers” (which is really a spin-word for an apostate Jew) and then cite a few 2nd or 3rd hand stories for your “proof” but they turn out to be nothing but rumors. You mention the protesting of the Haredim. Are you opposed to this democratic form of social change?

        Can you cite references for the Benyamin Glugger case? There are no immediate results for your accusations on Google. Also, what does “ethnic Jew” have to do with anything? A convert is a Jew in every way regardless of his bloodline. Are you aware of that?

        You try to redefine proselytizing as “giving out tracts and leaflets” but that is ignorant at best and deceptive in the least. You know better. Your own words betray your true desire–that Jews leave Judaism and “find Yeshua” because if they don’t, you and your friends feel they will miss “his loving kindness.” Your words also betray that you have replaced Hashem with Jesus, for only Hashem bestows chesed (loving-kindness). Your intentions to make Jews commit idolatry are obvious and noted. Shame on you!

        I also find it strange that you would want Jews to make aliyah as you stated in your reply. Why? Reality is, that when a Jew (or for that matter anybody) follows Jesus/Yeshua they start practicing less authentic Judaism and more a syncretized, pagan religion that is anathema to Torah itself. If the entire Jewish population in Israel did this, chas v’shalom, what would be the point of the State of Israel? Answer me that you ignoramus you!

        You say that I’m being hypocrytical because I’ve changed my religious beliefs and that means therefore that others who change their beliefs should be fine by me. By that measure, would you apply that same standard to yourself when you hear of a person who was a Christian and based on their convictions decides to become a Muslim?

        I am not your brother. And by the way, I have answered your question, “Isn’t it fair for all types of people to chose their own relgious beliefs if what they grew up with isn’t satisfying?” as I promised.

        Awaiting your response.

        Jeisyn

      • maz deshalosh said:

        I can’t respond to the exact thread, so please ‘slicha’ me for being a little muddled.

        [Your answer about your knowledge of Yad L’Achim is very one-sided and suspect. I doubt you actually know much about them. For one, they assist with people making aliyah–a huge mitzvah for a Jew to do. Did you know that? Secondly, one of their major works is to educate against assimilation. Are you opposed to Jews staying Jewish? Thirdly, they also help people learn Torah. Does that bother you?]

        There are also a criminal organisation known for harrasing and assaulting people in Israel.

        [You accuse them of harassing Christians and “Jewish believers” (which is really a spin-word for an apostate Jew) and then cite a few 2nd or 3rd hand stories for your “proof” but they turn out to be nothing but rumors. You mention the protesting of the Haredim. Are you opposed to this democratic form of social change? Can you cite references for the Benyamin Glugger case? There are no immediate results for your accusations on Google. Also, what does “ethnic Jew” have to do with anything? A convert is a Jew in every way regardless of his bloodline. Are you aware of that?]

        A pleasure.
        http://roshpinaproject.com/2012/03/26/yad-lachim-activist-klugger-arrested-for-anti-missionary-price-tag-attack/

        He even admits it on his Facebook.
        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2CqZAsfGJRGZ0NYTFRCdUxVLUE/edit?pli=1

        The things people do when they are in a prison cell with their iPhone:
        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2CqZAsfGJRGSHUxOHFDeWxxWHM/edit
        Wow really mature guy.

        Klugger’s an ex-Catholic converted to a Jew.

        Thats why I think its particularly nasty being unpleasant to people from your ex-religion.

        And people thinking they are a bona fine respectable organization.

        [You try to redefine proselytizing as “giving out tracts and leaflets” but that is ignorant at best and deceptive in the least. You know better. Your own words betray your true desire–that Jews leave Judaism and “find Yeshua” because if they don’t, you and your friends feel they will miss “his loving kindness.” Your words also betray that you have replaced Hashem with Jesus, for only Hashem bestows chesed (loving-kindness). Your intentions to make Jews commit idolatry are obvious and noted. Shame on you!]

        Nah, theres religious Jews trying to get me to believe Rav Shneerson and Na Nachs doing that with their vans with techno music.

        [I also find it strange that you would want Jews to make aliyah as you stated in your reply. Why? Reality is, that when a Jew (or for that matter anybody) follows Jesus/Yeshua they start practicing less authentic Judaism…..]

        nope. I know Messianic Jews that have come from a religious background who were the only ones of the family that were Zionistic enough to make aliyah, and are very happy in Jerusalem.

        Jews dont leave Judaism that find Yeshua, they take more interest in their roots. Several I know came out of Pagan practices and were totally uninterested in Judaism at all.

        Those from the Orthodox movement may find they don’t want to wear a big heavy coat in 35c+ heat any more though.

        […and more a syncretized, pagan religion that is anathema to Torah itself. If the entire Jewish population in Israel did this, chas v’shalom, what would be the point of the State of Israel? Answer me that you ignoramus you!]

        Thats your opinion. Ever been to Tel Aviv? :oD

        [….You say that I’m being hypocrytical because I’ve changed my religious beliefs and that means therefore that others who change their beliefs should be fine by me. By that measure, would you apply that same standard to yourself when you hear of a person who was a Christian and based on their convictions decides to become a Muslim?]

        Well I don’t know of any Christians personally that have become Muslim, but that would be their choice, but to go and have a moan on a blog about conversion of Muslims to another religious would look a bit silly I think. Democracy works well.

      • You really aren’t directly answering any of my questions. Maybe you aren’t interested. Maybe you can’t follow the logic. Maybe there is a language barrier. Out of all the gobbledygook you wrote, I’m interesting in deciphering this bit:

        I asked: [….You say that I’m being hypocrytical because I’ve changed my religious beliefs and that means therefore that others who change their beliefs should be fine by me. By that measure, would you apply that same standard to yourself when you hear of a person who was a Christian and based on their convictions decides to become a Muslim?]

        You replied: Well I don’t know of any Christians personally that have become Muslim, but that would be their choice, but to go and have a moan on a blog about conversion of Muslims to another religious would look a bit silly I think. Democracy works well.

        1) You say it would be an ex-Christian’s choice to become a Muslim but having a blog about it would look silly. Am I just being silly or am I being hypocritical?

        2) What does Democracy have to do with religion when it is Hashem who is ruler over all? Do you think He views it as a democratic choice when one of His children (a Jew) chooses to follow an idolatrous religion?

  4. Ploni said:

    Are you not concerned with the Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom and the various other halakhot forbidding the reading of other people’s personal correspondence? What of the various prohibitions about making such personal correspondence public?

    I understand that you are not Jewish yet, however, you may want to consider being comitted to halakha if you want to be Jewish.

    • I don’t think his takkanah applies in this situation. Perhaps there is information you are not privy to which may preclude you from being qualified to make such a judgment.

      Did you read the entire post? Maybe you have information that is essential to the real crime in this case. It is hard to decipher with a moniker such as yours.

    • L. Murdock said:

      Ploni, My family and I were directly involved in this and I gave Jeisyn the information freely. I don’t think your concern about the cherem is valid in this situation.

      These guys are purposely trying to deceive the Jewish community and the cherem was for people reading mail without their knowledge as far as I remember. It seems that your application of this takkanah is off basis and stretching its limits without knowing all the details.

      Also, bringing up Jeisyn’s status as a non-Jew in the conversion process was no reason to question his commitment to halacha. He is learning like any conversion candidate accepted by a beis din.

  5. Ploni said:

    I love it when a couple of Jewish wannabe’s are suddenly halakha experts and can discount one of the most major opinions in Halakha in order to simply do what they want. SImply publicly embarrassing an actual Jew is enough to cost your place in Olam Hobo(BM 59a).

    As far as crime what crime has been comitted? He obviously was not an actual Orthodox Rabbi qualified to do conversion. It seems more likely he was maybe conservative or reform(considering Spertus), in which case no one in the Orthodox community would have taken it seriously anyway. At most the couple trying to back door convert(considering they weren’t going through a beis din, they had to know what they were doing), would have been able to decieve themselves into think that they were suddenly Jewish.

    • My first question remains outstanding: Did you read the entire post?

      Secondly I’m curious, what is the extent of your training in Jewish halachah sir?

      Answer me these and I’ll respond in kind.

    • Almoni said:

      I don’t think Takkanot Gershom apply here. If someone lets you read his mail, then it’s not forbidden. These mails were forwarded to Jeisyn.

      • Correct Almoni. The gentleman never responded about his actual training in halachah so I am left to perceive the evidence as it stands: he appears to have no formal knowledge and we are obligated to pay attention to his warning.

  6. maz deshalosh said:

    [ You really aren’t directly answering any of my questions. Maybe you aren’t interested. Maybe you can’t follow the logic. Maybe there is a language barrier. Out of all the gobbledygook you wrote, I’m interesting in deciphering this bit: ]

    What have I not answered to your satisfaction?

    [I asked: ….You say that I’m being hypocrytical because I’ve changed my religious beliefs and that means therefore that others who change their beliefs should be fine by me. By that measure, would you apply that same standard to yourself when you hear of a person who was a Christian and based on their convictions decides to become a Muslim? You replied: Well I don’t know of any Christians personally that have become Muslim, but that would be their choice, but to go and have a moan on a blog about conversion of Muslims to another religious would look a bit silly I think. Democracy works well.

    [ 1) You say it would be an ex-Christian’s choice to become a Muslim but having a blog about it would look silly. Am I just being silly or am I being hypocritical? ]

    I meant if you change your religious following, to then complain other people changeing to another one just seems to not respecting someone else’s choice.

    [ 2) What does Democracy have to do with religion when it is Hashem who is ruler over all? Do you think He views it as a democratic choice when one of His children (a Jew) chooses to follow an idolatrous religion? ]

    The Messianic Jews I know find they have been fulfilled what was missing in their life. They don’t stop being Jewish, they still keep kosher and observe holidays. I mentioned democracy as anti-missionary organisations like Yad Lachim break the law and lie to people to achieve their bully tactics, ie: pushing their way in and assualting people in a Messianic congregation in Beer Sheva.

    You and me and anyone opposed to Christianity are probably going to think they have a spiritual monopoly of someone’s life, but Jesus loves you and fullfilled all the prophecies of the Tanakah.

    You haven’t answered my question about Benyamin Klugger or Yad Lachim, this is an organisation that is well known of harrasing Messianic Jews and causing criminal damage, the picture I took from his Facebook is admitting being arrested and doing the price tage grafitti. If these people were decent, wouldn’t they release a public statement saying they had nothing to do with these attacks, or firing Klugger?

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